Comments on: The Chinese Monkey Incident: When Should Personal Morality Overshadow Cultural Sensitivity? https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/ Adventurous travel for semi-reponsible adults. Wed, 29 Mar 2023 03:04:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.16 By: Meredith https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7900 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:16:45 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7900 I don’t think this is a very complicated question. If someone wanted me to watch a dog fight, I’d probably just tell them that I’m too soft-hearted to see animals hurt and that attitude is normal in my culture. People are aware that cultural differences exist and they usually respect personal feelings. I suppose there are times when you have to weigh your own personal comfort against sacrifices that people might have made for you — for example, even if I had strong feelings against eating meat, if a host had spent a lot of money to provide a roast, I’d be sure to eat it at least once. For the most part, however, I don’t think you have to do things that make you uncomfortable or violate your morality.

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By: AndrzejM https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7877 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:26:54 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7877 Hi,
I wouldn’t agree this is a difficult question. It’s very easy one in fact.
In “monkey situation” I would say – sorry guys, my culture and religion does not allow me to not even take part in it but even not to pretend that you guys ding it.

Why always it is Westerners who have to be “sensitive”, “aware of diferrence” and so on?

I am not saying that we should shout aloud: “Back off creepy barbarians”, but I believe we should share our, “western”/”civilized” point of view.

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By: susan https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7872 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:39:26 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7872 This is not a difficult one for me at all. And I am shocked that it is for so many. I do extensive travel and for what its worth, if suffering is involved.. I want no part of it. As John Lydon has pointed out so many times Culture is bullshit. Really how can anyone identify with cruel treatment as a culture. It has to change. Sorry I know you want to be sensitive to others but sports with animals are only sports to the people. Not the animals. Sport implies fair and agreed to competition. This is not that – so therefor is not a sport.

What you eat.. well as humans we need to evolve together. If there is suffering in death, we should be ashamed of ourselves.

The idea that the more a dog suffers the more tasty it is is crap. It’s an excuse to be a brute and does not deserve polite consideration. I am a human just like the other human who is engaging in a cruel thing.

Let’s cultivate a culture of humanity not your origins or my origins. Just compassion. My dead relatives did lots of cruel things I would never do. I don’t need to identify with them. I am who I am.

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By: Eva https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7870 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:34:22 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-7870 Thanks for raising this, Mike. It’s a very tricky question.

As far as dietary preferences go, I’ve actually always found the idea that you MUST eat all local specialties or risk mortally offending the locals to be kind of, well, patronizing. I’ve been told, as a vegetarian, that if I want to be an authentic and open-minded “traveler” that I have to bend my rules while traveling.

But if a foreigner with a set of dietary restrictions came to visit me in Canada, and was reluctant to abandon their habits, I would never be offended!

The same goes (to a lesser extent) to clothing restrictions. It seems to me that there’s an assumption at work, that “exotic” peoples can’t comprehend or accept that anyone might be different than themselves. If “we” can comprehend cultural differences, why can’t “they”?

I think the key, in all your possible scenarios, is politeness and open, honest communication. Explaining that you can’t or won’t partake because of your own customs is fine; if they ask for reasons, explaining is fine. Storming out, haranguing or passing visible judgment, etc, are not so fine.

The treatment of women – and where my boundaries lie in situations related to that treatment – is a whole other huge, complex issue.

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By: Owen https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-4960 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:34:58 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-4960 I worry when people’s morality changes geographically. It’s possible to hold onto a personal moral code without being judgmental of other cultures. For example: I don’t eat meat, but I don’t think it’s inherently bad. I think there are good and bad ways of treating the animals beforehand, but eating a little meat with dinner is natural. If I go to a restaurant with a foreigner in America, I understand that there will be cultural differences and try to use it as a way to understand other places. I feel that the same is usually true when I’m the foreigner. As long as I politely decline, most people won’t be offended. As for those who are offended, do I really want to spend much time with close-minded people in any country?

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By: Emma https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1428 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:14:52 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1428 I am so glad that monkey brain story isn’t true. I’ve heard it since I was a kid. If I were in a situation like this I would definitely pass. But in a situation such as restaurants where they have the really fresh sushi. Carving up the live fish on the table. I would have to walk out. That wouldn’t be as offensive as if I stayed and shared my true feelings.

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By: Mike https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1422 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:55:28 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1422 Thanks to everyone for all the great replies. This is a very real question that’s perplexed me since I started considering a ’round-the-world trip.

It would appear that the best solution is to simply pass on anything that one finds personally objectionable, but without getting up on a soapbox to blast the “less civilized” around you with a monologue on personal morality. If locals/friends ask why you’ve politely declined, then they’ve chosen to open up the dialogue and it’s appropriate to do so.

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By: Jim https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1413 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:07:55 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1413 Not an easy set of questions.
In the examples we are in a foreign land and very very far from the ethics/morality of my hometown.And probably quite alone. On the other hand I only have one chance to say something and once that chance is gone it is gone for good.

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By: Rene https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1402 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:45:05 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1402 d quietly pass the carne on to my husband’s plate.]]> When I was 10 I went with my parents to Guadalajara to meet some long lost familia. There was this goat on their property that I became especially fond of. When it came time for the big welcome feast, I accidentally wandered into the area where my cousins were slaughtering the goat. They strung it up afterward, and I had to walk past it. Same situation happened with the rabbits I had played with. La familia thought my surprise at this was hysterical.

Come dinnertime, I refused to eat when I made the connection between sentient beings and what was on our plate. My parents were mortified and I embarrassed them for life.

The birria incident made me a vegetarian when I grew up. Today, would I do the same thing and not eat it? Yes, but instead of pouting and crossing my arms at the table, I’d quietly pass the carne on to my husband’s plate.

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By: Ben https://vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1349 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:37:48 +0000 http://www.vagabondish.com/the-chinese-monkey-incident-when-does-morality-overshadow-cultural-sensitivity/#comment-1349 This is a great question Mike, one that I’ve had difficulty wrapping my head around particularly with understanding gender roles in Islamic countries. Does my feeling that burqah-wearing is inherently wrong or oppressive mean than I’m bigotted or culturally incompetent? Should I write my position off as a biased product of Western rearing, or is it a legitimate belief similar to the those held by Middle-Eastern feminists?

I feel like too often travelers are scared to turn a critical eye on what lay outside the borders of their home country – this likely leads us to view those nations as “exotic” places where bizarre traditions do and should take place. The irony is we are entirely comfortable criticizing our own nation’s cultural aspects; i.e. I have little reservation in attacking Christian fundamentalists, but I bite my tongue when it comes to Islamic fundamentalists. Why?

What we should acknowledge is that there is two sides to the coin in every country: in the hypothetical Chinese monkey situation, there would likely be many Chinese animal rights activists who would would abhor such practices. Similarly – in an example from real life – after feeling a bit sheepish for declining to eat dog in Korea, I found out that many Koreans young and old refuse to eat the dish as well. Are they “less Korean” or turning their back on their culture for doing so? Certainly not.

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